Dr. Gerald Pollack on the fourth phase of water – and its role in memory, energy, and cancer
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The episode was first published on the Swedish podcast Fasciaguiden on June 4, 2025.
In this unique episode, we meet Professor Gerald Pollack — one of the world’s most influential researchers in water science. Together with Axel and Hans, we dive into the mysteries of structured water, the inner politics of science, and why groundbreaking ideas often meet resistance even when they redefine how we understand life.
Pollack shares his journey from studying muscle contraction to discovering exclusion zone water — a fourth phase of water that carries an electrical charge, responds to infrared light, and may be crucial for cell function, health, and even technological innovation. We discuss water’s role in memory, energy, cancer, and why young minds often see what established science overlooks.
An episode that challenges, inspires, and may forever change the way you see both the body and the future.
Participants in this episode: Axel Bohlin, Hans Bohlin, and Gerald Pollack.
- Axel Bohlin founder & editor of The Fascia Guide.
- Hans Bohlin, Innovator & Fascia Expert
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01. Why Fascia?
There is an ongoing global revolution in anatomical research, profoundly changing the way we look at the human body. The reason? Fascia!
02. What is Fascia?
It might be a simple question, but it literally takes hours to answer it.
Fascia is the connective tissue that encapsulates everything in the body, from muscles and skeleton, to organs and cell.
03. What does Fascia do?
Understanding the living body is quite a complex thing – but there is a simple way to understand the function of the body by understanding Fascia.
04. Why is Fascia not mainstream?
Fascia research has sparked a wildfire of new insights that are challenging conventional belief about how the living body works.
05. Why are we thinking about the body the way we do?
A living body is not the same thing as a dead body… but we pretend they are when we study anatomy.
06. Why is it so hard for Fascia to become mainstream?
What happens when you discover something that makes you rethink everything you knew? Is there a place for fascia in a culture obsessed with order and control?
07. What is flow?
All that lives has a flow. Each living cell or organism has a flow of water, energies, particles, molecules, light, sound, vibrations, etc.
08. What is knowledge about the body in a simple way
What is knowledge and where is knowledge? How do we understand all the complexity that is the living body in a simple way?
09. What does it take to understand Fascia & the living body?
What does it even mean that Fascia is a new paradigm, a new perspective?How do we learn anything for that matter?
10. What happens when people discover Fascia?
What happens when you discover that things are not as you thought? Fascia and the living body starts as a fascinating subject, new research, a new organ and new insights.
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Frequently Asked Questions about Fascia
On the Fascia Guide FAQ we have gathered the most common questions and answers about Fascia. Is there anything you would like to know? Visit the page and submit your question.
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